Hey kids you’re about to listen to a

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doctor welcome to the jock doc

podcast featuring dr london smith

the only podcast contractually obligated

to say the words koala cola it tastes

just like down under within the first 25

seconds of the episode

introducing your host dr london

smith hello and welcome to the jock doc podcast

part of the koala cola network where we

discuss fitness and health

and how to incorporate our modern

understanding of science and medicine

into our daily lives

but without it being so boring i’m your

host dr. London Smith (.com)

i’d like to begin by apologizing to our

listeners we’ve received

some feedback about the excessive amount

of technical medical terms that i’ve been

using such as lymphadenopathy and a snake

sneaks to seek a snack so i’ll try to

temper my terminology to a simpler one

in the future

here to help with that is our producer

cameron oh

hi dr london hey

you sound a little down are you all

right no i’m not i’m not down at all i’m

i’m

i’m happy i’m just like content i’m full

of

love and life and i’ve i feel rested

it’s just i’ve had

it’s been a crazy week for me yeah could

you remind me what

what made your week so crazy um i know

you were texting me a lot

well i was you know reconnected

with um someone i honestly didn’t even

know they existed they found me

but i actually met my grandchild wow

oh i i didn’t realize i mean i know

you’ve had some

like mix-ups with chilled having

children but

you have a grandchild yeah this guy

he drove over to my house and he

knocked on the door didn’t know who he

was from adam thought he was probably

selling something

but you know what dr london i said yes

to opening that door

i didn’t say oh get away from me oh go

away

i said yes to a new experience which is

this man knocking on my door

and so i open the door and he tells me

hey my name’s max

and i’m your grandson

and uh it’s been it’s been a wild week

so you he just said that he was did he

like

did he say this is you know this is my

lineage this

my my parents are so and so and then did

you think oh yeah

i remember having that child i mean i

just met him i don’t i’m not gonna ask

like who are your parents to people who

i

just met like last week

yeah so it’s just it’s just one of those

things where

i mean do you know do you know how

grandchildren

happen like you know their their parents

and they have their children

okay and that those children have to

you know go with someone and then have

their own children and that’s how

grandchildren happen so you’re saying

there’s probably a kid of mine that i

don’t know about too

i well i’m saying that’s really that’s

the only way i can imagine this

happening is there’s got to be

their parent has to be your child is

what i’m getting at

i mean i guess that makes sense but

i i guess i don’t understand what the

issue is

yeah just if you’re saying i shouldn’t

have paid for

this guy’s college i’m not i’m not

necessarily

saying that because that sounds like a

good deed and especially in in these

times that’s

really good of you to hear because um my

funds came from a very specific

place i don’t know and you but it’s for

a good cause

so yes but

okay did did you take this money from me

because we have our patreon account

where we make

we make a lot of money through that yeah

but i know that you have a habit of

going through

to my personal finances well no it’s all

won

now the patreon money in your bank

account is the same thing i i went ahead

and did that

i oh it it’s it’s almost like you’re

expecting me to say thank you right now

but i

yeah i mean i would say like thank you

or you look handsome today

like i i think these are things that

could be said more often

for sure yeah okay i just

so anyway my yeah so you have your yeah

my grandkid max

he you know he was talking about like uh

what it was like to grow up in the 70s

and like um you know like he went to

woodstock when he was like only a kid

you know what i mean

yeah and like um just sort of like how

crazy it was

huh you sure he’s your grandson uh

and you’re sure that he spent that

college money on college well i mean

i don’t how i i’m not 23 and me i guess

i don’t understand how i would answer

that question like i don’t

you want to take my blood you’re the

doctor

yeah these are i feel like even at the

most basic questions it really is

getting you stumped so

to ask anything complicated i don’t see

this getting like i’ve given you just a

lot of details to already work with a

man showed up on my doorstep

he said i’m your grandson i need money

for college

and then you start talking about how

great the 70s were and then we got like

really drunk

and we’ve just been hanging out most of

the week

yeah okay what’s up so i mean on a basic

level there

uh you know i don’t want to get into our

ages on this but

like you were you were born after the

70s correct

oh yeah i mean that’s some numbers yeah

i’m not i’m not stupid

yeah you know what anyway we can move on

from there if that

like you know unless you need to no i

mean you

you just you asked why i was acting the

way i was acting that’s

i yeah my life is full of love and

purpose now suddenly i

i have a i have a drive i have something

to work towards and take care of

yeah i mean which which translated into

you just taking my money and giving the

patreon money

which is yes combined with both of our

bank accounts

it’s all one pot now uh so so that’s our

producer cameron um

also with us says did you do in the

house

but i actually met my grandchild

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a man showed up on my doorstep he said

i’m your grandson

i need money for paula and they start

talking about how great the 70s

and then we got like really drunk and

we’ve just been hanging out most of the

week

but i actually met my grandchild

but i actually met my grandchild

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but i actually met my grandchild but i

actually met

my grant but i actually met but i

actually

met but i but i but i but i am

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i is met my grandchildren

and later cameron tells us that we could

expect some special guests

that’s right dr london yeah great so

look forward to that um

but before we move on i would like to

address a bit of listener feedback

this note comes from one lucky factory

worker

at the koala cola kids zone whoa scrape

the mold

yeah from the sides of enough vats have

used koala cola

to mail in their question to the jock

doc podcast

so congratulations to this lucky koala

cola scraper

and maybe we should i mean explain for

people who might not be familiar

oh yes we we joined a new podcast

network just a few episodes ago on

episode 100

and we are on the official

podcast network of koala cola the

australian

soda company it tastes

and that that right there is crampy

koala

he’s been hanging out with us a little

bit

and it’s been great it’s been fine and

it’s been great it’s been easy to deal

with it’s

easy to deal with and it’s not

just a problem just a problem

that’s fine crampy go yep just go yeah

yeah just sit down over there

dj dylan just sit can you just please

sit mute his microphone just mute his

microphone

okay great barrier reef

just okay it’s okay it nails on a

chalkboard man i just yeah

i just i mean it was it was cute for

anyway um so so congratulations to this

lucky question

i think it was cute dude i think it was

the koala cola like i think it

it like changed the way i was thinking

oh oh and you know that brings up one

little point that we should bring up and

i just

it’s contractual uh so there’s there are

no koala parts

pieces of koala in koala cola uh

you know some people ask that and it’s a

funny question but it’s really a

misleading one

so we just want to let everyone know

real quick there’s there are no

quals in there and also that no factory

workers are harmed the uh

the koala cola kids zone is actually a

really child friendly environment

um you know these are just things that

kind of get twisted

yeah and you know there there was a lot

of talk

about um the the bin outside of the

qualacola factory that was labeled koala

limbs

but that those are just limbs like

tree limbs yeah that they were planning

on

giving to koalas so they could climb all

over

yeah they love that stuff they love that

stuff

it tastes just like their laundry not

that it matters because there’s no

koalas

in the factory no we’re talking about

just like yeah just wild

koalas like 50 miles away from the

factory

it’s just a brand yeah you know it’s

they they so that’s that looks personal

yeah that’s what the limbs were for

yeah um so anyway the note reads quote

please help me

i have breathed in so much mold i keep

copying coughing up small creatures like

that kid in stranger things

and this is an interesting i mean

phenomenon dr london

like the sort of like uh you know how

it’s rained frogs before in the past

like they’ll have tadpoles or whatever

that get evaporated up because they’re

so tiny and then sort of develop

a little bit and then fall and like

weird stories like that

in the same way if you breathe in enough

mold

well mold is alive dr london it’s it’s

it’s not dead it is a living breathing

thing

yeah usually yeah but it’ll cause

infection yeah it’ll be

trying to grow just like bacteria in

your lungs can can grow which is also

alive and it’s just a living thing

yeah and that’s why you an infection is

essentially a living multiplying

you know group group of creatures and so

in this case

yeah just to that listener it’s

completely normal

and uh i mean i consider this

new creature that’s come out of you as

maybe a friend

i know it might be a hard adjustment if

you don’t have pets or you’re not used

to it

but it’s it can be difficult but it’s

worth it

yeah and so i you know medically i would

definitely say like you know if you

think you have a

fungal infection in your lungs like you

should just have that looked at

but um you know as cameron said i don’t

know the whole situation

uh if you aren’t if you don’t like if

you’ve never had a dog

if you’ve never had a cat right you know

you might be unfamiliar with how

you know how pets work so uh i just

it’s one of those things where you know

unless i see you in my office it’s

really hard to tell

so uh i guess to this list what you’re

gonna be doing

going forward is the listener questions

you’re just gonna recommend that they

come into your office and give you money

i well i mean for this one this one

scraped up enough

of the mold to to get their question

answered so i don’t want to just

but but like based on what i know so far

either of our answers can be correct

either they do need to come in and this

is actually a serious problem

or possibly it’s a pet are you hoping

that it’s like a girl like are you

trying to meet someone is that what this

is

no no that’s not usually how i how i

approach these

no that’s um i thank you for

for assuming that i’m but but no i uh

anyway so let’s um so we’d love to hear

back from our listeners but um

thank you for listening thank you for

the feedback and i hope you

you scrape you scrape all those vats and

you keep having a great time

and i hope yeah i just hope you have a

good time in general i hope you have a

good day

yeah um now for today’s medical topic

primary biliary cholangitis primary

biliary cholangitis along with some of

the other topics we’ve been covering

is a cause of liver cirrhosis primary

biliary cholangitis is a chronic and

progressive cholestatic liver disease

characterized by the destruction of

intrahepatic bile ducts with portal

inflammation and scarring

so unlike primary sclerosing cholangitis

and i believe we talked about that last

week primary biliary cholangitis

primarily occurs in women

and is located more in the bile ducts

within the liver

so you won’t see it on imaging sexist

it’s uh if and you this is you promote

this you give this to people you

what do you do with this no this is a

disease i i don’t have a hand in it

this disease has a i guess a

predilection for women

i don’t that’s not that’s not what i do

i only diagnose

you’re like the wing man that’s all

you’re doing so you’re you don’t feel

like you did anything wrong no

i’m i’m more the one who who walks in af

after after the fact you know like i

just see that something has happened and

i’m the one who’s

you know called in to deal with it if

that

if that makes sense uh i mean it just

i don’t know man it just sounds like uh

is this someone you’re trying to get

into your office too who is this

this isn’t one person this is one this

is a disease not a pro any case so um

so you won’t see it on imaging uh some

people remember that it’s for women by

and well now you’re gonna hate me okay

uh they they remember it because

they associate the b in pbc of primary

bali and cholangitis

with uh there’s another word for ladies

that that also begins with the b

um and so that was important to put into

your lesson

that’s it’s a medical mnemonic it’s

sometimes helpful for people to remember

that this one unlike the other one is

more in women

and the only way is is because of what

s it’s it’s pvc is the the initials of

the disease and then the p

in it the b is uh

there’s another word yeah um

and it it’s that you’re fine with this

i it’s just a way to remember it’s it’s

the name it’s also known you’re just

saying well it’s a sexist disease so

what are you expecting is that

is that your response to it i like

i guess i mean more or less like i

suppose that that is

i we just met we see it how it is and we

just report on it you know what i mean

i guess i mean this whole podcast seems

to be like

you trying to remove yourself from all

these diseases that you keep causing

people

and like giving to people okay i should

just i’m not

i didn’t do anything yes so i didn’t i

haven’t given

anyone this disease or as far as i’m

aware i don’t think i’ve given people

any of the diseases that we’ve talked

about

but um in any case uh primary biliary

cholangitis is a slowly progressive

autoimmune disease with a variable

course that is often associated with

other autoimmune disorders

and most commonly presents in women in

their 40s or 50s

clinically patients may present with

fatigue and itching

with labs showing normal bilirubin and

an elevated alkaline phosphatase

the most characteristic features of

biliary primary biliary cholangitis are

xanthelasma and xanthoma which are uh

they’re terms for a collection of

cholesterol under the skin that’s

yellowish in color

so i can appear around the eyelids and

that kind of thing

these patients may also have

osteoporosis so along with these they

could also have symptoms of

liver disease such as portal

hypertension and jaundice because

remember this is

one of the causes of cirrhosis

diagnostic testing includes liver biopsy

which is the most accurate test

but the most accurate blood test is the

anti-mitochondrial antibody

uh bilirubin igm levels uh may be

elevated and very advanced disease

abdominal if you call that like to

remember antibody you

call that like [ __ ] or something

no this is what you doctors do behind

closed doors yes

no so i do try to you know keep uh

i don’t try to use those mnemonics all

the time there are a few that

for whatever reason they they stuck and

so

you know pbc you tend to the the b in it

you just

you remember and why not use the c

the c is also a word

uh it’s just different

in any case um uh so so

uh abdominal ultrasound or ct scan can

be used to rule out biliary obstruction

uh because that can also be a cause of

some of these symptoms um

treatment is with ursodeoxycholic acid

or

uh obetacolic acid which is uh that

decreases the fibrosis along with

treating the osteoporosis

so depending on the severity severity of

the disease um

a liver transplant may also be necessary

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and it’s you’re not even gonna attempt

to try to like come up with something

better than

[ __ ]

what about c for chick

well yeah i guess that’s not that’s not

all like a little better

um yeah now that i’m hearing it

anyway it seems like all these people

that you’re giving these diseases

like i feel like if you’re gonna be in

sort of a risky

job like that you have to at least

respect your patients

like you can’t be barging in and saying

what’s up [ __ ]

yeah no and that’s not really how it

it’s it’s just a way to remember

to differentiate this disease from

another one that’s pretty similar

that but we can it would be all right if

we just

we could address it later maybe but and

bring it back but let’s move on for now

maybe what what if you ass what if you

accidentally think the b

is for boy yeah doesn’t that probably

make more sense than assuming

oh it’s for women so it’s got to be

[ __ ] well that’s why we memorize it

like i’ve memorized what it is

that it’s not a boy that it’s it’s that

yeah

so you can memorize that it’s that the b

here is not boy it stands for [ __ ] but

you can’t remember

pbc at this point i think i could but it

and maybe you’re right maybe i’m just

passing on the wrong lesson

um oh boy uh but yeah we could if we

want to go ahead and move on from there

do you want to like maybe apologize to

koala cola

yes yes i should um yeah so uh

you know on behalf of the jock talk

podcast uh i i apologize to koala cola

for

um you know if i misrepresented their

brand um which

you know their strong position is that

they do not want to get cancelled that’s

a big position they have

and i the last thing i want is to

contribute to a cancellation of

uh their their wonderful brand so uh

and we appreciate being business

partners with them so and

i don’t think it would hurt to mention

like just while we’re on the subject

like look was there a sack found outside

the koala cola factory

that like was oozing with some sort of

red liquid that was coming out of the

bottom

absolutely sure i don’t think anyone is

even denying that that happened

and that’s normal but that what i mean i

mean like

okay my car’s leaking oil do you assume

that there are you know dead koalas in

the trunk like

things things leak it’s crazy there’s

stuff everywhere there are so many

puddles of things

like why are you so obsessed with this

one puddle

it is weird how obsessed people can be

about people are obsessed with this red

puddle that was underneath this sack

outside of the koala coal effect

it’s honestly it’s creeping me out get

over it yeah get a life

uh anyway um so we can move on from

there then

i think we’ve covered our bases pretty

well

all right cameron you said that we have

a guest today or is it two guests or one

ooh

that is an interesting question um i

mean i guess let’s

see like if we okay you take out the

rolodex if we take

sophie so you still use a rolodex if you

do x

because if a equals a plus b equals okay

then

so i’ll just so i’ll just say say hi to

them yeah oh yeah i’m sorry i’m

i’m lost in my math yeah no i know you

get that way um well

hello there my name is dr

londonsmith.com and this is our producer

cam hi

what was your name my name is colin

o’donnell i am so excited to be here

today

great and cameron can i just say you

have one of the most sexy voices

i’ve ever heard in my life oh wow thank

you so much

i i mean did you practice that

or obviously the sexiest voice on those

podcasts is dj dylan’s

yes and i don’t want to take that away

from him but it’s really nice of you to

pretend that mine is is sexier i’m not

pretending no i’m

i’m seriously sitting here no we’re

gonna get into legal trouble here if we

keep doing that because it really is dj

dylan’s voice

yes i just have to say it’s just

absolutely gorgeous

if we don’t continuously sort of affirm

how hot dj dylan is

he edits the podcast into nonsense

okay well dj dylan if you’re listening i

am sure

okay well okay well okay well dj dylan

if you’re listening you have one of the

most sexy voices

i’ve ever heard in my life dj dylan

voices most sexy dj dylan voices most

sexy dj dylan dj dylan dj dylan dj dylan

dj dylan voices most sexy

dj dylan voices most sexy dj voices most

sexy

yeah well and though he is in the corner

there uh you know

djing this as we speak so i i just i

don’t want to be um

there’s the imminent threat of every we

don’t want to cross him we’ve never done

it and i don’t

i’m just so scared of what could happen

if we he’s going to screw up all the

episodes we know exactly what he’s going

to do

yeah he’s threatened and it’s once it’s

in the contract and we it’s why we’ve

we’ve

it’s been smooth sailing so far so uh mr

o’donnell i don’t want to be

uh but like let’s if we could just you

know

i’d love the flattery but like keep it

aimed at the right place because

a lot is on the line here but i i i i

thank you though i i i really appreciate

it it was like

it’s a good compliment don’t accept it

you don’t no i don’t because it’s not

real and it’s fake dylan

dj dylan voices most sexy in any case

anyway

uh hello hello there what um what what

brings you

to the jock talk podcast well you know i

came here because i’ve been on a very

long journey

and it’s very hard for me to talk about

because it’s so emotional for me

and it’s something i’ve been dealing

with for 27 years and

i just feel like now is the time to show

the world and tell the world

who i am and how i feel

and that it’s okay to be the way that i

am wow

that’s really inspiring great i mean dr

london do you have a problem with that

you always seem to have a problem with

anyone like sort of becoming confident

in themselves no it’s i mean i don’t

know what

you know what the reason is or any i

don’t know enough really to

to i guess past judgment or whatever but

it sounds great so far

um so let me just get started so um

back in 2015 i hit a very low point in

my life

and you know i just would hit

the darkest moment i hit rock bottom i

didn’t know what to do and

i didn’t know who to turn to i didn’t

know if there was anyone to turn to for

this situation

yeah and probably turn down for what is

playing in the background a lot right

because it’s 2015

yes 2015 you know we were just getting

out of

a lot of um dance memes and stuff like

that but

yeah 2015 was a very dark time for me

because

i hit rock bottom and i just had no one

to turn to

but eventually i learned

what i am and this is why i’m here today

i’m here to tell you both and the world

that i

i’m sorry wow it’s okay hey hey take

your time yeah

no it’s here i okay

am a colonoscopy addict

okay see here take these koala cola

brown tissues yeah take these tissues

crampy can you at least help out and

pass some of the tissues

it tastes just like dinner not don’t

it’s not necessary that you do that

it’s just not crampy that was that was

kind of inappropriate but i mean

yeah it’s just so yes i’m a colonoscopy

addict

i go once maybe twice maybe eight times

a week

two random doctors around town

to find out if i have colon cancer yeah

and and i’m just i’m i was so afraid i

was so

afraid when you say random doctors what

what kind of meaning of random are you

using there are you just going to

doctor’s offices

with doctors you’ve never heard of you

just you just randomly show up

or is it just like in a different order

every time well first i would go to my

primary

care doctor who i knew very well and we

were very close

and so he would you know he was nice

enough to give me at least one

colonoscopy treatment

a week um

but then i was getting embarrassed with

how many

treatments i was getting a week so i

would go to different

doctors in the area and hope that they

wouldn’t remember me

every time i showed up be i mean would

they punish you or something would they

get mad if you if

no they wouldn’t they wouldn’t punish me

but i would definitely get embarrassed

with how much they would be

inside of me okay

so so i get i mean there are a few

sort of points that kind of get me about

this for one thing

like at the start usually it’s a

gastrointestinal doctor that will

be doing so if your primary care was

doing that’s that’s a little bit unusual

for them to have a

you know that the instrumentation to do

colonoscopy but maybe

you know whatever maybe that’s their

part of their specialization

maybe it’s a sigmoidoscopy whatever um

so another thing are you i mean you’re

you’re under for this right like you’re

you’re drugged

uh i ask because that the normal thing

is to

to be under anesthesia no i like it

straight up

okay well you say straight up like it’s

a drink it’s so this is um

it’s it’s a fairly invasive perspective

i believe like

maybe the medical term would be you take

it raw yes

yeah and uh so so i you know i haven’t

used the term

rawness it’s usually you you would want

to it could be

i i say because it’s it’s a pretty

uncomfortable procedure it’s a

you know for our listeners who aren’t

aware yes um it is

it is but i will say that there is

something about the pain

that hurts so good

so i well i just want to clarify for the

listeners so what a colonoscopy is

essentially

um you know there’s this uh this

endoscope it’s a

it’s a camera on the end of like a a

thin

hose and so that thin well that was

another problem of going to so many

doctors was

a lot of cameras would be lost inside of

me that when they put the next camera in

they would find more cameras they would

just all they’re taking pictures of is

just other cameras and that’s not

helpful at all

if you’re trying to determine colon

cancer no i mean it was basically like

you know a camera store in there and so

that’s why i was so embarrassed was i

just didn’t want

doctors to realize that there were so

many cameras up there

i’m sorry so they lost the

the endoscope they lost the the scopes

inside of you

regularly yeah well sometimes uh the

doctor would put the camera

so far up that it would um snap off and

stay inside of me

okay i guess and i didn’t have the

insurance to get it taken out either

you know so it’s yeah i guess less exp

and you never i guess

that actually is part of another

question which is how are you paying for

all of this

you’re going eight times a week for a

colonoscopy i don’t know how expensive

it is but i know it’s not

free and especially if you know your

insurance

it’s not it’s not like at all well you

know my dad had

my dad had an oil farm and he passed

away a few years ago and he left me a

little bit of money

yeah um but not enough money not enough

money to pay to get the foreign object

removed

from your from your body well no

one thing to say here is you know a lot

of these procedures the ex

a big expensive part of procedures can

be

that anesthesia and if you’re cutting

that out of the equation

that it would i don’t know how much it

would reduce the price but it would

reduce the price

um it’s it’s uh

yeah it’s just it’s just kind of an odd

odd thing to me to

draw so many things that you can’t he’s

he’s trying to be honest with us and

you’re calling it odd you’re calling it

weird you’re calling him yeah i’m sorry

and

you know whenever he’s talking about an

addiction it’s okay no there’s a lot of

judgments when it comes to

colonoscopy addicts and it is totally

understandable

you i mean have you tried to seek help

about this have you tried yes so

i have so i actually tried to go see a

hypnotist

a few months ago to get rid of my

addiction but

the problem was was that the hypnosis

was

also a colonoscopy doctor oh

so wow i know

so when i went under you know the trance

i also got a colonoscopy

so i was very confused what i should do

it’s like i don’t even know if it was

two birds with one stone or a

double-edged sword you know

and you’re you’re sure that they that

they are were

gi like they were supposed to be doing a

colonoscopy at the same time

talk about london i i’m sorry that you

can’t ask what kind of

doctor or hypnotist people go to

yeah okay yeah no i’m sorry and this is

it’s okay no there’s no judgments here i

want everyone to feel comfortable

because

this has been a long yeah i’m very

comfortable it’s taking me a long time

to get to this point

but i will say that i’m at a point in my

life where

i can only do colonoscopies at least

once a week

and not only that i will say that

i’m the only one who gives myself a

colonoscopy now wow

i’m the only one you’ve gone green and

not only that but right now

i am working on an app that you hook up

to your phone

and it will give you a colonoscopy

result right there

whoa i’ll give you a result

yes it’ll give you a result in 30

minutes

so this app what it does is it will tell

you

if you have colon cancer or not yeah and

it is two long

fingers i’m sorry sticks

that you insert in your anus

and you leave it there for about 30

minutes

and then you will have your result of

colon cancer or not

you know it’s not it’s not a good idea

to live your life in fear

but now you don’t have to with

coronoscopy

wow this is amazing i i guess okay so so

one brief question so

the you say just it

sticks up into into your anus and it

just stays there

so the colon is a long you know it

there’s a

it’s kind of a long thing and so if it’s

what you’re describing sometimes if you

lay it

if you lay it out straight it can go all

the way to the moon

oh well that’s your small intestine i

believe but but still the cold

is not short either well this is

specifically

for the rim of your anus is that the

medical term for that dr london is the

rim

the part to me that’s confused because

yeah it sounds like you know

at best this is this is like a

sigmoidoscopy

but it sounds like it’s not even as far

as that which

given how often you have these

screenings

i’m you wouldn’t need to go further you

know you would only need a real

colonoscopy

yeah unless you have a family history

you wouldn’t need it until well

you’re telling a person with an

addiction that they don’t need to

do their addiction okay no that’s right

that you’re right um

if i mean if this is what you need your

colonoscopy shaming um

oh uh and look and i hate to interrupt

this

you know we’re working through this

addiction talk

you don’t hate it it’s just a normal

part of hosting a podcast you don’t hate

it at all

okay in any case we um

i it looks like we have another yes

hello there my name is dr

londonsmith.com and this is our producer

cameron

and uh this is our guest colin o’donnell

what was your name

hey i’m regina miles hey there um

hey what what brings you to the uh the

drop doc podcast

well when you contacted me you know i

felt compelled to join you all

and just because this is kind of my line

of work per se

i don’t necessarily have any issues or

problems i want to really

talk about with you i’m just really

passionate about colonoscopies in

general

okay okay so you’re you’re just a fan

well okay i guess i’ll elaborate um

first of all the reason i’m late is

because i was at a gallery talk i just

moved over to new york

um from kentucky and so i’ve just i’ve

been real busy i’ve been making the

rounds i’ve been doing tons of gallery

talks

all about photographing the colon

wow okay so so i i heard you’re right i

have to say

i have to say that is in a remarkable

job

thank you i’m just sitting here

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so excited to hear everything about what

you’re about to say

well i just want to say thank you for

your bravery and thank you to the host

for bringing us in the space to discuss

this safely

yeah i’m sorry cameron did you find

these guests i i don’t mean to direct

and say

because it sounds like they were very

specifically contacted

and i did you oh yeah

well we’re part of a neopets group okay

and this

i was emailed by someone um contacting

me to come on the show to talk about my

line of work

i’m basically trying to get my name out

there yeah i

i think there may be there was a little

bit of miscommunication in that i was

just wanting to see the line of work

that your neopet was in

like in terms of trading this happens a

lot but i’m glad you’re

here like i think there is a huge

misunderstanding

um i actually preferred club penguin

i’m actually not into neopets at all i

just want to clear that up

real quick okay i need to i need to look

over

i i don’t i genuinely don’t know how you

got the invite but i feel like it works

out yeah

it kind of does that was meant to be

right maybe the person i was talking to

on neopets forwarded it to you

you know that could be i i’m pretty

prominent online

um and because cameron also sends out

these emails to

hundreds of thousands of people it’s

it it’s kind of surprising that we only

have so many people

show up for these recordings to be

honest

yeah and i i tell all of them that

they’re a winner

you’ve won you’ve won a spot on the jock

talk podcast can we get a koala

sponsorship right now oh i mean

just to wrangle this deal i don’t wanna

um in any case we can we can uh

let’s speed this up so you have a

gallery that’s

oh gosh uh he’s he he’s

oh gosh crampy just he heard the words

koala cola and he’s like

losing it just it’s fine but that’s just

like

it just does like that or no just like

that it’s fine it’s okay

okay okay okay okay it tastes just like

down under that’s great

it does and that’s it it just

it’s great it’s my favorite soda i love

i love having it around the office and

it doesn’t get doesn’t get old

and i’m not concerned whenever i feel

like

there’s something solid in it

that’s that’s good and reassuring to me

remember that shrimp guy from twitter

uh are you talking about the guy who

found the shrimp in his

cinnamon toast crunch and then he was

you know outed as an abuser immediately

afterwards

cinnamon toast crunch was

uh oh i didn’t read the story closely so

i don’t know yeah it could have been the

like little chef guy on the yeah

yeah but anyway i mean it’s like all

that to say it’s fine

if you find something in your koala cola

that’s not the fault of a company that’s

just trying to give you some good stuff

yeah it’s it’s

maybe it’s a prize and speaking of

prizes

getting to be on this podcast uh

almost miles what uh you said you have

you had a gallery

and you like to take pictures of

colts because columns just kind of look

like a like a tunnel with like

right ridges in it right

wow it’s actually hilarious that you say

that because my instagram handle is

tunnel vision

oh i like that that’s kind of my whole

angle on this um

i have been what interests you so much

about

taking these pictures well

like what drew you to the colon as a

subject why have you made that your

your focus that is a great question um

one that i kind of wrestle with every

single day

i was actually on track to become a dog

breeder

okay on yeah that’s a that’s a tough

track

right and then uh

you’re in your seventh year of school or

so whenever you started to debate

i actually wasn’t in school at all i was

living over

yeah i know right online classes

uh no so i was actually just you know

living in kentucky with my husband who

is now deceased unfortunately

um that kind of was the turning point

for why i even got into photography in

the first place

wow um and i i’d hate to

what did he what did yeah what did he uh

pass away from

i’m gonna say i bet that it isn’t

primary biliary cholangitis

exactly see most people think that most

people think that my story

indicates that i’m doing this because

i’m trying to heal from some trauma

um which is true he was murdered by our

chiropractor

oh so

long story short um i kind of want to

wanted to unpack my journey of of

healing from his murder

um he did get a lot of colonoscopies

wow i know i was wondering how it would

tie

in okay how many colonoscopies did he

get

i couldn’t say because i was so focused

on the dog breeding he was always away

from the house and it drove me

absolutely insane

yeah um you know i don’t want to get

into that okay i don’t want to get into

our relationship that’s

totally understand um

more or less it just it kind of came to

me in a dream

i i needed to do something with my life

and so i decided to hit the road do some

photography

and one thing led to another and i was

down the tube i was

in the tunnel vision so so the way that

one thing led to another thing

that led to you taking pictures

okay i guess so for listeners who may

not know

in a colonoscopy it’s this

the usual circumstances is that someone

is under anesthesia

you know under the guidance of an

anesthesiologist and there’s also a

gastrointestinal doctor and they they

put that camera

up your butt or wet fingers yeah

and so so they’ll do that and um the

thing is

that if anyone would be the photographer

in that situation i would think it’d be

the

gastrointestinal doctor uh or you know

previously known as the proctologist so

i’m i’m just wondering how

uh miss miles how you how you got into

this role that’s normally

reserved for a you know a licensed

medical physician

uh how did you end up did you give the

colonoscopies because that’s where the

camera is

right and that’s the complicated part of

my story um

you know back when i was in kentucky i

kind of went under the radar with this

per se

and obviously you were sort of an outlaw

now that i’m over in new york uh

obviously i’m very qualified at this

point i have all my papers in order

and what yeah what papers are those yeah

oh you mean just the stack that you

bought

yeah i do see it’s it’s blank paper yeah

she’s talking about this

she’s talking about the purebred dogs

that she was reading those papers

okay so it’s not the just yes stack of

printer paper that’s

sealed in your that you’ve got it it is

very neat and

like those are papers are really

together and i like i’ve tried

straightening paper that’s in that big

of a stack before and it’s

it is difficult it helps that it’s still

sealed yeah i essentially went through

this certification process through a

friend

and he basically gave me

the way into the i don’t know how to say

this

um

essentially i mean did he give you the

scope

is that is that what he did i feel like

that’s yes

that’s what would have had to happen is

you

you went well you’re talking about going

rogue you you have a scope now and

that’s

you okay that’s the best part yeah it

sort of sounds like the person who gave

you this certification just sort of 3d

printed

a a stick to sort of shove up people is

that about right

no actually it’s way more professional

than that

so he is a doctor how dare you first of

all

i am so sorry i don’t know why i’m so

sorry yeah i shouldn’t be so accusatory

i totally understand you know based on

my background and coming from kentucky

i get a lot of assumptions exactly

of course people are you know from

kentucky

famously are just huge liars yes that’s

what everyone is

and i guess i expected you to live up to

some of the expectations only because

like you did

you know whenever you walked in you put

down your your two giant jugs of

uh something what i assume is kentucky

bourbon

uh with with the x’s on it and i didn’t

like that to me was kind of going into

the stereotype and that’s on me

for for assuming well we can talk we can

clear that up

you had to hold the two jugs also with

one hand because you had the printer

paper in your other hand

which i thought was pretty cool thank

you well i do want to clarify that that

is actually all carrot juice

oh so why carrot juice if i may ask

it’s good for you obviously i hope you

know that

i hope you’re aware um oh yeah yeah no

we

yes that’s fat fiber yes

i basically have this routine where

every few weeks i just go on a strict

regimen of carrot juice

i have beets for breakfast to get things

moving

and then this is the crazy part and this

also kind of ties into my work

um here and there i will interject

eating some liver and onions

i guess that’s crazy it is yeah that

does seem insane to me but

so how does that impact your work how

does that affect your work

so obviously that does not seem healthy

right it’s kind of a shock to the system

um i’m essentially on a juice cleanse

and then i just

eat livers and onions every couple of

weeks are these pictures

these pictures are are of your colon

that you’re taking

i have done a self-portrait series okay

because that’s

that’s what i’m yeah i i wasn’t thinking

that thank you for clarifying

i’m a big proponent of doing things

yourself too but what i was getting at

is

doing this diet gets me in the mode it

gets me in that mindset of being a true

artist

and my work actually has been compared

to ansel adams um you know similar form

and structure in his landscape

with what i capture and so um

i go beyond just capturing the colon i

capture

livers now obviously that involves

x-rays

which i have access to that as well you

know one would say

since i’m not a doctor or what is that

called a radiologist

yeah right radiology right and a

radiological

ct scan i think would be better for

well you know this is what i love about

people like you and me like we didn’t

just go to some medical school

and then pay a bunch of money to do a

bunch of stupid classes and then get a

degree

thank you yes you know what i mean like

it sounds like you’re gonna say

like but okay well no i would i was just

gonna say like

you know you don’t even know the name of

the person who does these

x-rays but you’re still qualified to use

them thank you

and that’s what’s so important it’s so

snooty to assume you’ve got to have

these degrees and all these things

you don’t even have to know what’s going

on you don’t have to know what the words

mean

and i would say that’s the same for my

gastroenterologist too

i don’t check for their papers ever

i just trust the way that i’m inserted

whenever you say that the way that you

are inserted yes

um do you cause because normally there’s

you know an instrument like we talked

about you know

you know the endoscope or even you

talked about your you have a

i guess i should have asked more the

device that you use to

the two finger you’re referring to like

a device that looks like two fingers

that inserts

some would say fingers other would say

uh long sticks yes i

i guess i guess why i’m why i’m asked

because

you said you insert it just sounds like

you’re you’re putting yourself in the

situation

whenever it’s my understanding that the

instrument does that so i’m wondering

like are you

i are you like holding on to like are

you just

really close in there or what’s well

there is a snake attachment that allows

you to go deeper

if you so wish and is that something you

usually do

yes it’s a prototype i’m working on

right now but

um we are hoping to add it to the

collection

right and so you say we do you have a do

you have a team working on that it

sounds like maybe you have a

do you have a group of other people who

are dealing with this

addiction and trying to channel it into

this business endeavor

well yes for those of you who are

listening

there is help that you can get it is

called

c a a which is colonoscopy addiction

anonymous and it is a group of

individuals who meet up every thursday

night at 8 pm

and what we do is we go around the

circle and we tell

our story we tell

our story yeah

and what’s the like you know with with

aaa

and and and things like that the goal is

to sort of get off of these things but

that doesn’t seem to be

the goal of this group what are you guys

like doing well

i would say that i would say i would say

sobriety does not work for everyone

and i know that’s a very controversial

statement

no i i get it no whatever we’re all

trying to get off

all these uh like these bad habits

i would say for me personally i need it

here and there

to make it to the next day

yeah and i do it myself i do it myself

so no one gets hurt except for me

so when you visit doctor’s offices

random doctor dr

offices eight times a day i think he is

that he says eight times a week sir

that’s how he used to do it though right

so since he made this app

oh he’s been able to you can do it in

private

yeah and okay so it’s wow

um and it’s still in its development

it’s still well it’s still in its

developing stage so

you know i don’t want to hype it up too

much but i will

say that it’s 92 percent

accurate every single time

especially if you’ve already undergone a

lot of colonoscopies even in the last

year but especially in the last say five

years because you said

you’re 27 and unless you have a history

of another disease or you know unless

you have you know an irritable bowel

disease

usually the recommendation isn’t to get

a colonoscopy until you’re 45

and so uh the the confusing

i guess the unusual part is the fact

that um

you know if you’re starting that age you

you really shouldn’t

need to look for cancer until

later but that’s that’s the trick

need you’re choosing just because you

might

need it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t at

least

check when you’re younger i mean and

where’s where’s the information on all

this

i uh i i would assume in books

yeah and things like that have you have

you tried looking for this information

well

no okay ah so and this is

a rare moment for cameron whenever he he

asks he questions something for just a

second

and i’m starting to feel very attacked

right now

just so you know i’m sorry i’m not no i

am i’m feeling very attacked

i came here to have a good time and to

talk

about my journey

and you’re look your journey you are

has been so brave and the the

the steps you’ve taken and how far

you’ve you’ve grown a lot in this

yeah i you know and i haven’t given you

credit for credits yeah thank you

thank you thank you i mean it to just a

one

going from seven eight times to a week

to doing it from

to yourself to yourself you’re not

having you’re not wasting time and it’s

a sacrifice

i can’t get up there like i want i

cannot get up there like i want to

oh wow that must be difficult it’s so

yeah so it is so hard yeah

i’m really really sorry that’s that is

very difficult that sounds very hard

and is that is is that the arm

that you’re trying the cell i mean is it

a selfie stick

you have you brought a selfie stick i

wasn’t going to ask but it’s

it’s what it sort of seems like so

yes you can use it as a selfie stick

but that is why everyone should buy this

product because it is a multi-use

product not only can you go on out on a

friday night

to the club take a picture

but the next day you can wake up and

give yourself a colonoscopy and take a

picture

right up your colon

yeah and you could i mean you could take

a picture of your colon at the club

too that’s what people don’t know about

like these sort of

portable medical advantages yes but you

know if you’re taking your picture at

the club

what else are you allowing in your life

exactly

thank you oh that’s okay i

i guess i didn’t follow that quite as

well as in a profound way i guess that’s

true

sometimes dr london i’m gonna sometimes

when people say something like really

smart like it’s way too

kind of like i don’t know heady for me

like i kind of just say

i know what they’re okay i’m talking

about one idea yeah

i’ve that’s good that’s is that that’s

good at this point i’m not sure so um

but but

so and i hate to um and i will just

admit never mind i’m fine with doing

this part fine camera

uh i we have chores to do and i

you know i i should have mentioned this

to you guys earlier

no but this is a part of

sort of uh you know all of our karen do

you want to explain it real quick this

yeah yeah uh for those of you who have

just

started listening to us dr london and i

have been very very busy i’m just going

to be completely honest we had joined a

roller derby league uh it did not go

well well they have a lot of

oh but it’s a lot of rules it’s a lot of

the blades or the roller skates whatever

the whole time they get really mad

if you go home with them without without

i would really escape like little things

like that i replied

what was that do you have to wear plaid

no for me i wore ice skates

and that they like did not like that

well how does that even work hated that

well i they would argue that it doesn’t

i don’t think it would but you should

have seen him oh i was

i was going he wasn’t as fast as

everybody’s

clunky but he was definitely capable of

hurting more people maybe not more any

kids type of injuries were

unique they were my style of injuries

and in any case we sort of neglected all

of our chores

uh we have this huge to-do list of

things that we

need to do you know we’ve you know no

one

has uh cleaned the big plate that we all

eat off of

we you know that giant plate that all of

us yeah

yeah and then we all yeah it rotates

around and we just eat off of entire

heads behind our back and then we

yeah you know that’s right we haven’t

cleaned

that in i mean probably like three or

four years now which we should really

you should do anyway so we create we

created this fun

chore wheel that we spin every single

week and whatever it lands on

we have to do that chore even if we

don’t want to even

if that’s taking out the trash dr london

uh

yeah no i told you if it if we land on

it

if it lands on taking out the trash then

we will do it but until

it lands on taking out the trash we will

not do it

i i know but it’s just

you it just i know how much you hate

yeah that’s why it’s on the

sure that’s why we have this whole

system and so so anyway so every week we

have

you know we have new chores added

obviously and then also every week we

we knock a chore off we we deal with it

yep so we’re taking care of it so i mean

uh

colin and regina do you guys want to

give this bad boy a spin

i would love to please all right yeah if

you could just

yep okay yeah you’re gonna use your your

two fingers there okay and uh

oh no he’s starting to i’m gonna use

three nope just gonna

put them on the yeah don’t put them

anywhere else just put them on the wheel

on the chords it’s yeah the side the rim

of the wheel effects

nope you’re reaching for the selfie

stick just put that down just go ahead

and put that down

and we’re just gonna you’re just gonna

go ahead and spin all right all right

here we go

one two three

oh wow i mean dr london i can’t believe

it landed on this we it landed on take

out the trash

yeah do you want to spin it again

no dr linda that is not how the game

works yeah

this is these are the rules that’s the

contract you signed that you know i

signed it but you said we have to do

this

i’m trying to look can i i’m going to

read the bylaws real quick

just to okay um

yeah and so yeah and this is fine this

is normal and it’s okay

so um so so the trash

can has overflowed at this point um

it is what we are standing in currently

so uh i am gonna just um

so i the back the bag is what i have to

take out though right

what if what if just to make this easier

we all pick out

our favorite piece of trash out of the

pile and then we tell it to everyone

else

and then that’s the piece of trash we

throw away okay you know this is a

compromise i can handle i like this game

and then yeah

then we can take out the rest of the

trash the next time we land perfect

beautiful honestly that’s practically

what i meant whenever i wrote that down

on it okay

so um let’s see i’ll start

okay let me just rummage around here

okay all right so i have this um

okay that it’s kind of a you know sp

speaking of all this art

uh it’s kind of a large painting of

uh three dolphins and a

magician writing one of the wizards

sorry wizard riding one of the dolphins

and uh he’s uh okay

and it it it is so he’s

he’s yelling something but it has been

smudged over with

what i’m suspecting is crampy koalas

fecal matter

um that is that that must be why you

threw it away i’m guessing i mean

i don’t know if it if i threw it away

before that because like you know i’ve

been working on my painting

um oh yeah i just can never get it right

like you see the wizard’s nose kind of

has a

slight upturn to it i do notice that

yeah

but i will say that the color pattern

and the choices that you made

was really great yeah the the black and

white with like the smidge of yellow

uh just across

um and like then that was another thing

like i wasn’t sure about yellow and now

i’m really unsure about it

what were you trying to say with this

piece uh

well i can tell you what i wasn’t trying

to say but the message i got after i

painted it

um don’t turn your nose up

that’s that’s the message i got from it

and so i

no i had to throw it away i want to ask

you though why did you throw it away i

mean

this is your work that you’re putting

into the world

well i just i messed up at one part so

it was trash i don’t i think the art is

an accident

wow unfortunately dr london used to have

that attitude

but a lot of i mean you lost a lot of

patience

sort of having that mind i’m sorry

patience

uh as a doctor or patients

that’s for him to clarify he won’t

clarify

yeah um so it’s

anyway so that’s my my art and i

you know i think i don’t i don’t okay i

i will say

sure art is is a collection of accidents

in a way

and that’s why i believe that the

the display this needs to be on display

in the

landfill and i say that because of

course

uh the just the materials i had on hand

were not recyclable

maybe that’s the final step for your art

maybe that is the final

step that’s my catalyst catalyst yes

yeah and so anyway i i hope that a lot

of

rats and and uh you know

dumpster divers will will find their way

to it and will appreciate it in its

own context but it really the the smell

i when i say the fecal matter from

crampy koala it has you know it has

grown

other life and once again i think it’s a

great

work that that it just needs its own

context which is not

on the floor of the studio yeah

it’s not yeah like halfway into the

trash can

in a podcast studio it’s going to be

it’s going to better be able to tell

it’s story

on like a huge heap that’s my poop

diaper uh

sorry crampy koala so that’s um why he’s

getting

furious is stealing his poop like a

thing he gets mad at that’s part of the

character

uh i don’t like i don’t know it’s this

stuff was not in the contract

like all the the it just said like

the him and everything that comes with

them you know like all the

like all the contracts i sign yeah i in

any case um

so that’s what that’s what i found uh uh

so if you wouldn’t mind um miss miles um

or uh mr o’donnell would one of you like

to

you know check around your feet uh feel

around until you feel something

uh on the ground there oh wow

i found a crampy koala mug

okay yeah wow i wonder how much this is

worth

at least a hundred dollars is that i

mean i don’t know how much mugs cost i

guess

but i if that’s the standard mug price

well it’s signed by

crampy the koala right here hey hey okay

calm down come down comment

comment comment and he’s curious about

this as well because it’s signed in his

fecal matter

and again you’re stealing his fetal

matter which you get so mad at which is

i guess is built into the character i

just don’t understand

why they would choose that i mean it’s

it’s branding it’s marketing like i’m

not gonna pretend

well it is from the 1999 cartoon series

that krampy was in

so it is it does have and i just have

some value you know what

i don’t i do not know all of the canon

and laura

that’s on us of crampy’s past and that

is on me

because i love cramping i love koala

cola

yes well this this was in the height of

cartoons

and crampy was was

so going to make it with this cartoon it

was about to explode

i actually have a lot of knowledge on

this because i used to watch this as a

kid

and crampy had us was signed on for

several seasons

but unfortunately that’s when his

accident happened

oh yeah i do you hear that a lot with

cartoon characters whenever they’re

whenever they gain an accent um you know

and it’s just

you know with puberty or whatever uh

that’s just part of what happens with

them

and yeah i mean you go as a child with

one voice and then suddenly you have

another voice and that might not be

right it’s like so many cooks in the

kitchen at once

and it reminds me um regina if you would

please talk about like what happened to

your husband

oh god okay oh did we want to bring it

down again

okay no no go ahead go ahead well okay i

i was not thinking about that at all i

was going to mention that uh

is his name crampy yeah that’s crappy

koala

he’s a superstar i’ve never heard of him

um i just wanted to say he kind of looks

like a cabbage patch kid

it tastes just like down under it

yep it tastes just like down under

crampy just go ahead and

just sit right down please stay there

the thing about my husband and i’m only

mentioning this once we’re not going to

dive into this

at all okay you would think by me saying

earlier that he was murdered by our

chiropractor you know this is someone

that we both went to

separately obviously and he was not

actually murdered during a session

he was murdered completely outside of

the workplace yeah i mean i didn’t think

that he was murdered during the session

oh good see i get that a lot people

think

oh he was murdered by the chiropractor

oh he was getting an adjustment

and yeah

is that a common way to die yeah you

just pop their neck

no like people assume that maybe while

he was doing an adjustment he also had a

knife

and then put it through his back

wow that’s really rude of people to just

sort of assume that

and then ask you about it i get okay

just and that’s that must be really

difficult to have to deal with people

asking those kind of questions

it is really difficult but that’s why

we’re here yeah

to tell your truth that’s why we’re here

we are telling

everybody’s story we have to have the

courage

to tell our story to

tell our story

and my story is i never even wanted to

have tunnel vision

oh you you oh you never wanted to think

about

uh though you never wanted to have a you

know i want to keep it broad because i

do get a lot of

weird feedback on telling people that i

do photograph

colons um and also livers

right yeah and yeah

yeah and i didn’t mean to to go away

from this earlier um

you know i i right right um i did lose

my husband

eight years ago now and i moved to new

york last year

so do we do we need to go back i’m like

and i only asked

you know my brain is it’s switching

between two different subjects and i

just don’t know where to go with it

um it’s something i’m still processing

the death

uh it’s it’s still very traumatic to

think about

and so i think that’s why i am so

immersed i am so injected

in my work i have a hypnotist you could

see

he could help you i would love that is

this the same hypnotist that

that performed at colonoscopy while you

were

you know dissociated or yes but he’s a

great hypnotist

i i i

no okay i’m open to that i would want to

try that

yeah you should you should you know it’s

always good

to say how you feel and not hold it in

because that’s what i did tell your

story

oh remember that that would be a good

little tagline i could use maybe on my

business card

right tell your story you can’t hold it

in

you put it in there for about three

three to four minutes

and then you take it out that’s what you

do you’re just gonna steal

his thing and put it on your business

card instantly

oh no no no no i already have my mission

statement on my website you can go view

you can go view it it just sounded very

much like you were about

like you were just going to take it yeah

when you said that that’s what you were

going to do well

it’s just such a generic statement i’m

i’m instantly inspired right now i think

that would be a great

lot just a quick line to put on my

business card nothing else

to kind of direct where my work is even

going at this point yeah

i mean the work you guys are doing is is

pretty amazing i mean

i mean you’ve got an artist and you’ve

got sort of a tech innovator over here

both of these things yes coming together

well it takes a lot of practice to get

to where i am

and well me too me too i mean do you

do you guys think that maybe you could

help each other out a little bit it

sounds like

she could take pictures that could maybe

help with your algorithms and your app

wow that’s brilliant that’s a great idea

i mean thank you neopets yeah we’re

making a connection here this is

amazing yeah it really is

i guess i guess neopets took us further

than than i ever thought

i know cameron you said that whenever

you were going to find guests

and do our you know our media outreach

you said all of it would be done

through a neopets-based approach

i said well this is a medical education

podcast

maybe there’s another way and you you

said no

you said this is the only the only

method you know

well i said well like i pulled up

neopets.com and you were

skeptical of it and i was like well

check out this other site and i went to

google.com

typed in neopets and went to the website

that way

yeah yeah so no i i did appreciate that

there were multiple ways to

multiple avenues to get to the same

destination and i thought i didn’t know

if that was your problem that it wasn’t

on google

yeah well once i found out that’s how

that’s all you do you just google

how do i fix this person’s disease and

right yeah and then

i just remember what the b stands for

yeah

yeah exactly um in any case you know and

i

i i know we were kind of having a moment

there and whatever but um

you know miss miles i just there’s

we’re standing in trash and would you

mind picking up

something next to you whatever’s next to

you there and um okay

and i hate to ask our guests

like most the time it does not land on

trash so i

this is i’m sorry okay i just want to

say i’m very confused

right now um i don’t know why we were

having to go through your trash but i do

appreciate you giving us the opportunity

um so let me just see what’s what’s down

here

um oh

all right i i think i’ve got something

here it

it seems to resemble maybe a slinky

okay yeah and barely even wet this one

so that’s um

yeah i mean that’s one of the driest

slinkies in this pile i would say

oh i’m not i’m not seeing any more okay

yeah

um yeah well no the red i mean it’s

like i mean i’d like to flatter you by

saying

you see it all but i mean there that’s a

thick layer there

and so it’s mostly slinky it’s mostly

and but it’s it there is a grime layer

as well so it can be

it can be difficult to discern uh it

from the tile pattern

so that’s the best part you exactly you

have to go beneath the surface

and you know sometimes you have to fight

yeah and so um anyway so yes this the

slinky of course we uh

uh well we we got the whole batch of

sleekies there i’m sorry i should have

explained because there is a bit of a

story behind it

well i mean it’s i mean it’s a pretty

simple story it’s when we were starting

the podcast i mean we were broke do you

remember that dr london we were having

to eat pb and j

i don’t we were just two guys starting

the show

yeah you kept making pb and j’s oh yeah

i should have done the carrot juice

and like the you know because i was a

doctor

so i i had like i was eating oh you’re

just you know

just staying up late in the dorm and

just eating those pb js no money

and um we couldn’t afford like a

phone you know we couldn’t even afford a

phone for the podcast

so we used the slinky we put it up to

our ears and we would talk through it

and that was most of the way we did our

communication

yeah i’ll admit that it wasn’t um well

dj dylan actually told us that

it wasn’t very good for communicating

uh because it like the metallic feels

these are all the metal slinkies most of

them are

rusted by now like i’m i’m kind of

concerned yeah they’re wet they’re

soaking rested and pointy they’re very

we sharpened them i guess was the pro

one of the problems um because we were

afraid well

because cameron you were afraid that it

wouldn’t the sound wouldn’t travel

fast enough unless we made it sharp

because sound is supposed to be sharp so

sound is supposed to be

like uh it suddenly hits you

yeah so um nature teaches us these

things

cameron do you want to pick up one piece

of trash

or if there’s something or if there are

a few attached to each other i don’t

know what you know your preference

uh yeah i mean this is embarrassing like

it’s

one of our failed endeavors before the

podcast

but it’s our jock dock suit of armor

that we had built

oh boy man that does take me back yeah

because we were

so i guess we don’t really talk about

this much this podcast really started as

a medieval times

sort of restaurant concept yeah we were

really into larping

but like just for meals

yeah and it you know it evolved over

time and eventually became a podcast

but that i mean that took like seven or

eight years of really trying to get this

medieval times

yeah jock dock themed medieval times the

name stuck

restaurant going the name stuck and

that’s oh yeah

uh we were like look we’re just going to

create this restaurant

it’s going to be themed after medicine

and health

jock dock and they’re going to be

wearing a suit of armor

yeah and uh yeah so anyway so it’s it is

a bit clunky that

but um you know you want to zip me up i

want to i want to oh you’re i want to

see that

you want to try it all the time yeah

okay okay yeah

and yeah okay now it’s really

it’s really squishy in here oh yeah i

mean it’s wet as well everything

all of it is wet yeah and it’s okay

like i i can hear some squashing sounds

and every time i turn and like lean a

certain way i

i feel all the content shifting

oh yeah it’ll do that uh there’s

something

why this here okay okay okay crap

crappies

did you understand something completely

okay well you know i guess i just kind

of wrap things up i’m i’m getting

increasingly uncomfortable here

so um uh thank you so much

to everyone for being on uh mr uh so

colin o’donnell

um is there any way for listeners to uh

to keep up with you after this i know

you’re pretty excited about your new

product yes so i’m so excited about my

new product but i do have to say i have

a friend

and you can find him on instagram at

honor connor that’s

h-o-n-n-o-r-c-o-n-n-o-r

and i just want to say one last thing

i do not like anal sex at all

i do not like fingers in my butt at all

i am strictly i am strictly a

colonoscopy

addict there is a big difference

i just need that to be clear many people

think that these two things are tied

together

they are not okay just

is everyone clear on that yes it’s a

it’s a shame that people throw this kind

of stigma

on mental health issues and you know

addiction that people

try to assume like oh if you’re uh if

you’re depressed you must

you know just hang out in the corner all

the time right

yeah it’s so many stereotypes if you’re

addicted to colonoscopies if you have to

have something stuck up your butt all

the time

then that means that you’re somehow gay

or something and it’s

and which by the way is fine either way

it’s just

you know it one doesn’t mean the other

right and that’s important to bear in

mind i think

thank you i’m i have to say i’m so

thankful i came on here and i could

really

share my truth i could share my story

and although i felt a little attacked at

one point i do want to say i am so

thankful

to be on this show and to reach out to

other colonoscopy addicts

out there and i just apologize no it’s

okay and i just want to say

you are not alone you’re never alone and

now

with the new product you don’t have to

be alone because

wherever whenever you can take

two fingers i’m sorry i mean sticks

and put it right up there and you guys

uh

miss uh regina miles um did you have uh

you know anywhere for listeners killed

with you you said tunnel vision

yes just tunnel vision on instagram

that’s where you can see some of my work

some of my personal life as well

if you’re interested in that diet i

mentioned earlier

um i did want to mention that is a great

way to kind of connect with whatever

your art is

and i should have clarified earlier the

reason i eat so much

liver and onions is because

it connects me with my character it

connects me with my subject

which usually is the liver but most

often

um okay i’m sorry yeah i didn’t make

that connection that

you eat the the things that you’re

looking at

now not necessarily and i should have

clarified this you know i should have

elaborated earlier but

by interjecting that liver and onions

into my diet

it’s bringing me back to that place

where i’m focused

on what my subject is and that’s really

my whole mission

is to just focus on the subject and

nothing else

and so if you want to follow me there at

tunnel vision

i also have some meditation practices

you can follow along with to kind of you

know again connect with your work

figure out what you even want to do with

art in general

um you can also message me on there

maybe you know if you have any

connections in the

doctor medical world whatever you would

want to call that

yeah healthcare yeah yeah healthcare

healthcare thank you

and then you can find me at

reginamiles.com

and i did promise my friend i would plug

her on here

her handle on instagram is i believe you

call it

um soul skin that is s-o-l-s-k-i-n-n

she is norwegian so that’s why it’s you

know kind of a weird name there

but she does photography as well and so

um i try to plug her whenever i can

since i do

you know well yeah you didn’t have you

didn’t have to make fun of your friend’s

name i mean oh i’m so sorry i did not

mean to come off as if i was making fun

of her

and i hope she doesn’t take it that way

i just think it’s good to be upfront

whenever you’re presenting yourself as

an artist

you don’t want to be ambiguous and so i

just wanted to clarify

yeah yeah no it’s it’s fine it’s fine

like it’s

it’s not me that’s that you have to be

worried about i guess that’s what i’m

getting at but uh

um i guess i guess i should plug real

quick uh koala cola

is it’s the best drink out there really

cool it’s the best drink out there it’s

the spiciest drink out there

and look was that car found in the

parking lot

of koala cola yeah it was it was found

there no one is saying that the car was

not found

no one was saying that the car was not

found there cars are found so many

places

i guess i just don’t understand why yeah

like why does it matter

like oh a car in a like a big case like

a police case

was found at the high school so that’s

the high school’s fault that’s a

principal’s fault

it’s ridiculous people can park in so

many places and maybe it’s just like

it was the only place that didn’t charge

for parking is what i’m guessing you

know

yeah it there could have been there

could have been so many reasons yeah

and um and it was okay that

what they found in the car like it the

amount of bot

it doesn’t matter how many severed limb

oh wait it’s not for me to know what’s

in someone else’s car yeah that is their

private

privacy oh private yeah and you know no

matter how many

just how much fluid and how

how many just furry little limbs were in

there

and the obvious that even the facial

expression

showing this the struggle and the

excruciating pain at the end

that’s not our business that was just

in the car yeah and also because this is

australia which is

very hot and you can have a mirage so

you can

see a bunch of you know like bloody

limbs little furry limbs and that’s not

even really there it’s not even there

and yeah anyway that’s just a little

statement that we had to

read off and it’s like and i’d love to

read these off because

it just clarifies how great the product

of koala cola is

and plug the we could we could plug the

patreon as well

you know i’m excited about that too yeah

you think there’s too many people

already subscribed i do

we are overwhelmed at the no no no we

can do it we can do it we can do it

i think we can do i think we can squeeze

in a few like a couple we are just under

capacity

so yeah yeah it’s the the jock doc

podcast patreon if you go to patreon.com

doc podcast you’ll find us there there’s

a

three dollar tier to um to get access to

a backlog of episodes that we’ve got on

there

um and these are for the these are

better episodes than than what you’re

listening to what you’re listening to

these are very special episodes for very

special fans

not for commenters who are going to

listen to the main feat yeah and

and you know if you listen to the main

feed and you’ve listened to the patreon

you know we’re talking about you

yeah exactly and don’t talk about what

don’t talk about behind the paper on the

patreon

yeah it’s i can’t even yeah um

all right well uh so thank you again to

uh mr connell o’donnell

colin o’donnell um for being on thank

you to uh

uh regina miles uh you know thank you

cameron for arranging

through uh through the neopets for all

that thank you cameron thank you to

DJ DYLAN IN DA HOUSE

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did

a true artist dj dylan is a true artist

a true artist

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