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introducing your host dr

london smith

hello and welcome to the jock doc

podcast

where we discuss fitness and health and

how to incorporate

our modern understanding of science and

medicine into our daily lives

but without it being so boring i’m your

host

dr londonsmith.com would like to begin

by apologizing to our listeners we’ve

received some feedback about the

excessive amount of technical medical

terms that i’ve been using

such as retrospective cohort study and

a lady in the house say okay okay i see

you boo

so i will try to temper my terminology

to a simpler one in the future

here to help with that is our producer

cameron that says

i say meet the ball okay cameron you’re

mm-hmm

it seems like your accent changed a

little bit uh yeah it changed

it changed a little bit let me uh let me

let me you know say you gotta say

something spicy first say something

spicy

okay so so cameron is so dedicated to

making sure that our podcast stays

relevant

yes that when he heard the phrase sun

time

fun time he began waking up before dawn

and taking carefully timed measurements

of things that he deemed to be

fun using a stopwatch access

i say meet the ball right okay so that

was

that was spicy enough i think so you’re

talking about me i zoned out for the

rest of it

but let me let me get my accent you

wanna

that’s says i say mate the ball

yeah knew that and is that

is that spanish is that’s a spicy

meatball

spanish yeah uh i i mean

i’m not gonna fault a spaniard for

saying that i guess

okay i can’t say that that’s a spicy

meatball is usually associated with

spain

but if that’s what you want to okay yeah

sorry

it’s just accents sometimes i get them

oh yeah no

i just uh and i wasn’t sure if i had the

sort of i don’t want to say stereotype

but like

the the classically associated

is i see me

that says i see me the ball

yes okay so that’s pretty good but i

guess we can go ahead and move on from

there then

so if that’s all right with you but let

me explain myself

okay i have been sitting for now

like 700 episodes or how however many

episodes we’ve done of this show yes

and i’ve watched dj dillon have so much

fun

with these kooky sounds and these crazy

sound effects

and these front rows and these like

zaps and all these noises that he makes

so i have hacked into the system

and now dj dylan i’m sorry you’re not

the only one making zoink sounds

i get to also make sounds unfortunately

i have not figured out how to do

more than one sound that’s s i say mate

the ball

dylan has been able to figure out like a

hundred and i’m getting there i think

maybe after a couple years of training

and and and learning i’ll be maybe able

to get

to dj dylan’s number no but since i’m a

beginner right now it’s just the one

sound

well okay so the the listeners can’t see

this but that’s

this i see made the ball so so cameron

doesn’t have like a normal sound board

going he has

it looks like one of those telephone

operators old-timey things you have to

plug it into the wall

every time you do a sound effect you

have to run over and plug it in here and

there

and then well put on the headphones

there’s a crank as well

yeah and you seem to i guess it doesn’t

really pick up as much but you seem to

be talking to someone to make sure that

it’s going through

every time uh yeah i’m like operator

here

play the sound effect and they’re like

roger and then they do it on their

system then i plug it back into

the sound board that i’ve rigged up

which then

exports it to

dj dylan who then plugs it into the

sound effect speakers yes

yeah and i get and look i this isn’t

really obsessed

i see me this isn’t really my field so

much so i can’t

like speak too definitively about it but

i feel like

there surely there’s an easier way to to

do that

you know what i mean yeah well i think

the technology is getting there yes

and you know a lot of times we we look

at future technology and we

you know we watch tv shows and it’s like

oh they have hover cars back to the

future too

they’ve got hoverboards that everyone’s

flying around in

and you’d think why don’t we have that

now but sometimes it takes

a while for the technology to catch up

to the vision

okay yeah and once again i you know and

so the technology that you’re describing

of being able to play a sound effect

without

the as many inputs and outputs and

exports and imports

and the sound board system and the

operator on the other side that we’re

having to pay full time

yeah of course i’d love for it to be

easier than that but the technology

hasn’t reached that point

okay yeah and okay and i guess i’ll have

to trust you on that because i

yeah once again you provide the

equipment and so this is all

it’s all kind of outside of my realm but

um speaking

of whom uh also with us is DJ DYLAN

IN DA HOUSE

a lady in the house say okay i see you

boo

a lady in the house say okay i see you

boo

[Music]

a liddy in the house say okay i see you

boo

that says

[Applause]

i see me the ball

[Music]

and later cameron tells me that we can

expect a special guest

so look forward to that that’s right dr

london

uh before we move on i would like to

address a bit of listener feedback

i found this note written across the

wrappings

of uh of a body in the morgue

um the note reads quote she is not

invited to the potluck

she was a very nasty woman end quote

first of all i would like to thank this

listener so much for

for such an insightful question here on

the jock talk podcast

um to answer your question

i would not think that this deceased

individual’s opinion

would have much like a significant

impact on the guest list

for an upcoming potluck

but i could be wrong um

uh or yeah why not yeah well

because uh if someone isn’t alive

anymore

then then they’re

opinion on who should be the you know

present company

at you know an outdoor gathering

it doesn’t seem like it would be super

uh

right but they just passed away right i

mean if they’re in the morgue

so couldn’t they have made this decision

before they died you’re saying after

they died and if they had special

requests about the invite list

then their friends and family would just

be like oh they’re dead now we shouldn’t

respect what

what they had said when they were alive

oh we can invite whoever we want

they said to not invite someone well we

now we can invite them finally because

they’re dead

that’s how you see this situation

playing yeah it just seems like

it’s such a casual social game but

you’re right you’re right maybe i don’t

understand the full context and maybe

this note was also written to the

deceased

and then this could be a very

insensitive way to tell them that they

are not invited that’s

that’s the other interpretation i had

for that note

um that could be true i mean did they

look like a huge pain

they well they uh they looked pale yes

but yeah but i i expect that from

one from the deceased usually yes but

did you did it look like that kind of

like the kind of guy

who would like come up to you and like

no matter what you’re talking about with

your friends

he tries to make it about his job he’s

like oh that reminds me the other day at

work

um you know my boss phil he’s you know

he’s the

he’s the head of the um you know copying

division or whatever

you know what i mean because if he looks

like that kind of guy yeah you don’t

want him in a potluck yeah i guess i

trust me i’ve been there yeah well uh i

guess for me i don’t

i don’t know how to pick out that kind

of person

that kind of individual just because you

don’t think dr london

okay well and that’s you have no

discernment

well anyway to this listener you know in

any case thank you for listening

um that’s us i say me the ball

now for today’s medical topic

adenocarcinoma

adenocarcinoma is one of the lung

cancers in the group of non-small

cell lung cancers and makes up about 35

percent of all lung cancers

so it’s actually the most common type

wow

and non-small cell cancer is often

insidious

so it’ll produce no symptoms until

usually until the disease is well

advanced

one thing that sets yeah but only 35 of

it will do that right

so it’s just this this particular

subset within that category so it’s not

just 35 it’s more than 35

because there are other ones okay but

it’s 35 of that subset right

yeah adenocarcinoma is yes yes okay

but it’s 35 percent of what you were

just saying

yes this particular cancer it makes up

35

of all lung cancers okay

got it okay does that make sense then do

you okay

yeah yeah yeah i got it so one thing

that sets adenocarcinoma apart from

other lung cancers is that

it has less association with smoking so

but only a 35 percent less association

with smoking right

uh i don’t i don’t have the exact

numbers on me for

the you know the degrees but

basically this is the cancer that well i

think using basic

logic and common sense um we can surmise

that the it’s only like a 30 f

like smoking is only 35 bad okay so

so actually so this one is not

associated with smoking

this is like the the the one lung cancer

i’ve talked about so far where it’s not

associated with smoking so the 35

would be like the less relevant part

in that regard you see what i mean so

like the 65

that’s remaining most of that will have

you know some association with smoking

so do you see how that’s okay

like yeah it’s like 35 it’s like 30

it’s like uh maybe like six

cigarettes out of a pack okay and once

so so the thing about

this particular lung cancer success i

say

is the the the lack of this like not the

lack but the um

it’s significantly less associated with

smoking so that’s

this one you can get kind of regardless

of that

um and i think yeah the like

i think like the seven or the the 72s

are like maybe like 30 35 ish

of the 100s the cigarette sizes i feel

like you’re just

you’ve you found a number that you liked

and you’re just trying to apply it to

any factoid about

i’m a math i’m a math guy

i get it you’re a science guy i’m a math

guy we all have our different strengths

right

i’m just trying to translate it to a

language that i understand okay but yeah

go ahead go ahead okay so the most

common signs and symptoms of

lung cancer include cough chest pain

shortness of breath

coughing up blood wheezing hoarseness

recurring infections such as bronchitis

and pneumonia

you can also have constitutional

symptoms like you know weight loss and

loss of appetite

the the weight loss especially is one of

those things um that you look for for

cancer uh you can have signs of

metastasis

and that’s whenever the cancer is spread

from its original location

so that can include bone pain so what

was that

so well the list of symptoms you’re

talking about or the

the signs that you have it obviously

only 35

of that is going to apply to each

individual person so do they get to

pick and choose or is that something

that it’s kind of thrust upon you so

because like out of that list

i would probably choose coughing because

i think sometimes coughing would

kind of feels good um but like i

wouldn’t yeah um but i wouldn’t pick

miss mustacesus or whatever you just

said just because it’s too hard to

pronounce

so i’d like to get that one taken care

of yeah so

uh most of your question doesn’t make

that much sense to me because

the 35 percent once again it’s not a

number that you can just apply to any

aspect

of the disease then why are we using the

number then why are we using the number

at all

well because well so it did apply to one

part

so the fact that adenocarcinoma makes up

just watching you

squirm in your seat trying to answer

this question this simple

yes that’s undoing all of your medical

knowledge because you don’t know how to

answer something as as philosophical as

what i’m putting down

yeah it just makes me so happy so

everything i’ve said about you on this

podcast i’m watching

happen before my eyes i’m watching you

crumble so

let me heat it up some of the other

signs of metastasis are spinal cord

impingement

neurological problems like headache

weakness or numbness

uh of limbs you can have dizziness and

seizures

uh but to die

right so to diagnose physical examine

complete blood cancer

and then usually uh chest x-rays the

first test to be performed

um and imaging may show a peripherally

located

uh pulmonary nodule or mass you can have

mediastinal widening adelectasis

hyler enlargement or pleural effusion

previous chest x-ray

is super helpful to check for the rate

of lesion growth

so if you can find that that’s what you

know a given physician will usually look

for

and there are many methods of confirming

diagnosis and that’s

you know determined by i guess

presentation and location of the lesion

uh and percentages i

it’s yeah i to some percentages sure

uh so that can bronchoscopy sputum

cytology mediastinoscopy

fluorocentesis thoracoscopy and uh

trans-jurassic

what i think is interesting about a lot

of what we’re talking about is you know

we had mentioned before the 35

percentile but now we’re if we also

think about the other side of that which

is going to be the 65

percentile which i think a lot of times

in a lot of science and a lot of

statistics

you focus on the one without focusing on

the other which makes up the whole

so then 35 and 65 what is that that

makes up the 100

and if you think of like 100 of

um cancers being um

sort of uh they’re four

pushed by the smoke from the

marble menthol smooth 100s which is the

top those are the tallest cigarettes

yes then suddenly i mean you have to

question if that 35

is not something closer to maybe 40 or

45

based on the name of a cigarette you

think that

the that the statistic would change

okay well i again i’m a math guy i’m

just translating this to a language that

makes sense to me

yeah and i admittedly what you’re saying

doesn’t really make

much sense to to me but um

any case so along with diagnosis you

also have to stage

the cancer to find out the extent of the

spread of the adenocarcinoma

and that guides treatment so uh use

chest ct scan

and that’s the standard for staging the

lung cancer and that will

you know take into account the size of

the tumor the spread of it to regional

lymph nodes whether the cancer is

metastasized

the main treatment options for all of

the non-small cell lung cancers are

going to be surgery chemotherapy and

radiation generally

speaking but most lung cancers cannot be

cured with current treatments

so skilled palliative care is uh is

what’s going to be

very important for the treatment of

adenocarcinoma but only one

only 35 percent as important as if you

were using

sort of a different methodology

i think if you were to use a different

methodology than say

i guess western medicine

then i’m not obsessed you just fell for

it i say make the bone

oh did i yep

yes uh all right well anyway i guess i

guess we can move on from there

all right uh cameron you said that we

have a guest today

that is right dr london we have a very

very special guest i know i’ve said that

a few times

but i think special can be a wide enough

umbrella

to include more than just one person you

know what i mean

yes yeah like uh

the handicapped sometimes or

um yeah like any sort of just any

um uh selective individuals

yeah i mean i was just thinking like

shaq like shaq special he’s really tall

okay they can dunk like great

yeah okay so the handicapped shack it’s

not shaq

shaq is not our guest but i’m just

trying to establish that just because

our guest is special doesn’t mean that

shaquille o’neal isn’t special

you know because you okay because you’d

kind of you’ve been hinting at a shack

type

yeah i have building up to this yeah i

have been throwing around a lot of clues

around the office

i’ve been yeah i’ve been like throwing

paper balls

into a trash can and being like shaq

even though like you usually say

can’t wait for our guests but uh yeah

can’t wait for our guest or surprise

guest

uh but it is not shaq i really want to

make that clear

okay all right and uh welcome oh is that

i i do recognize this guest so it’s a

returning guest

that’s right hello um rev j uh

rev j yeah well hello

hey and uh hello how are we doing

no sir it’s so good even though i see

you every single morning

it’s so good to see you here now with us

yes well i can only say likewise

you know when when you say that um

it’s you know all of those things that

you were just saying um

it feels great to be here and um i’m

just so glad to

be a guest and for you to have me on

here

uh thank you yeah so

no i’m not exactly sure why you brought

oh go ahead

yeah i guess i’m just i’m just not sure

why i mean this is no offense intended

rev j but

so normally this is a medical education

podcast and

last time you were on here if i remember

right you

you brought up uh i don’t remember if it

was it was some sort of

we had to recite a lot of things in

order to get the

correct balance in our chi or something

and then you played a song on guitar yes

right you know it’s funny you should

mention that um the last time

that you know we met up and i was on the

show and

all those things happened i left from

there

i felt just a kind of a calling to

go off into the wilderness and so

i just started walking and

um i started wandering for days and

eating just nuts and berries basically

and throughout that time of

isolation social isolation and

distancing i came to a place where i

wanted to

just renounce all types of physical

possessions or physical

material anything so so

i i i stripped off all my clothes

even my own name i denounced it and i

you know i was me but now i am we

and i i don’t even have a name anymore

and then i eventually found my way out

of the forest

and i ended up right back in the parking

lot outside your studio

and then i walked back in the

receptionist was very nice and

she uh sent me up here and here i

am wow um

that’s right and on this journey um i’ve

actually

sort of been able to bond with well

the artist formerly known as rev j who

is now a nameless

entity yes because during this journey

he was sending me notes and letters and

sort of being

i want to say sort of a mentor towards

me right i mean

wouldn’t you say sir

yeah yeah yeah i um

i forgot that i did bring one thing with

me

which was a notepad and pen that was

clipped to the notepad

so it counts as one item but i feel like

you’re allowed to always bring one

item with you when you just you know you

have to have something just for

emergencies

and that’s what i felt was the most

important item for me to bring

so i could communicate with my mentee

cameron um any you know

advice i could give like that was

that was one of the main things that i

had learned which i thought was really

special was

the importance of getting rid of

everything

but i mean you gotta have one thing

right that’s where that’s where it’s a

little bit of a back and forth you know

sometimes i’m the mentor sometimes he

pushes back and he

and i’m like okay you got it like you

might have noticed dr london that yeah i

personally have not gotten rid of my

clothes or rid of my possessions or

anything and that’s because

i keep telling myself you know as i’m

about to throw away my mattress

as i’m about to throw away my shoes i

say

yeah i got to get rid of everything and

then when i reach the trash can i’m like

but i got to keep one thing and then i

just kind of

repeat that cycle for everything because

yeah i know

one thing leads to another like

eventually i saw you just

standing outside of your house and

saying

pointing at the house and saying one

thing

yeah well that was different i was

saying one thing i don’t know why it

doesn’t even matter how hard you try

and how hard you try yeah okay so that

was another

thing that the artist formerly known as

as rev j had taught me was the lyrics to

that lincoln park song yes okay

i tried so hard yes so wise

and got so far so wise yes

i’m sorry what oh sorry this is my tele

this is my telephone board let me

let me let me i gotta unplug this thing

and then plug

that thing in i gotta switch this

there’s like 5 000 wires yeah i gotta

switch

this board with this okay

and okay hello

hello hello can can can you hear me

uh yeah you sound very you sound sort of

far away

i i feel far away

do you recognize my voice yeah

i’m sorry this is this uh okay this is

from much much longer ago uh

is this uh raven hall a previous guest

raven this this is

an apparition of raven hole i’ve i’ve

done

many changes since then and

as i can see from my current listening

to your podcast that i have so dutifully

subscribed to in the absence of

of my my mentee

buddy beer hole of raven do you remember

that

name yeah it’s it’s almost like an old

specter

it’s something that’s haunted me to this

day i i

haven’t thought about it in ages what

does it mean

it means that you’ve lost your way

cameron i okay i thought you were

talking about it means like

for yourself no

sir cameron sir raven or what what

should i call you now sir raven hall

i i primarily just go by the crevasse

you’re just by the crevasse now

okay can you now can we can we remind

our listeners of of what we talked about

last time a bit

well you see it’s a long

story but really

i’m sorry i have a distortion

in in in whatever wavelength

of of trauma i think i’m experiencing as

a result of seeing

11 months it has been about 11 months in

this human experience

of of feeling detached from from

a from a moment that we had a long time

ago where

where we had a call about

about 12 months ago when you and i met

in a kroger and

you started taking my medicine yeah

do you do you remember that i do

remember that i

i we had met in a in in maybe the

parking lot of a kroger or

maybe i was dumping over the like kind

of big thing of like large rubber balls

that

sometimes they have in the toy section

which isn’t really a section because

it’s a kroger it’s more like

one small part of an aisle but anyway we

had met and then you had introduced me

to

some of your really cool medicine which

sort of changed the way

i thought and the way i did things and

whether or not it could stand up

and whether or not like different noises

made me laugh

things like that yeah

it kind of so i guess i can give a brief

recap for our listeners uh

so basically raven hole which was the

name that you

you were hesitant to give a name not

unlike the artist formerly known as rev

j here

uh and then you described some

vision or something that you had had

while on a drug trip

and you settled i think because you went

into a hole as a raven

you said on the name raven hole uh

yeah and then i think cameron

was attempting to adopt a similar name

as well he was in any case

he was and he no longer

seems to follow the way

wait so you stopped calling you stopped

calling you stopped needing the smiley

emoji

candy and you found this artist formerly

known as rev jay and

i i have to say i i called

because i too went on a wilderness

journey

of the soul and in this journey i met

i met what i believe to be rev jay in

the forest

but i but i cannot say that i’m

i i’m sure

rev j was that you was this

by an old oak tree and

there was a boulder that looked a

little bit like marilyn monroe

yes yes with the skirt it was blowing up

that was it blowing up oh so it doesn’t

it doesn’t look like marilyn monroe’s

face it looks it’s a boulder that looks

like the iconic image of her standing

over a grate in her dress blowing up

that’s what the boulder looks like

that’s very detailed

that’s beautiful super specific

it’s at this point i knew i was standing

in some magical

space where i was about to meet a spirit

from the spirit realm

and it sounds it he had the same

countenance as as the voice that i can

hear right now

oh so so possibly

uh kravos and the artist formerly known

as ref jay you you two may have met

before i think our past may have

crevassed

we we must have because there is no

coincidences in this life and i tell you

what when you take

a whole bag of my medicine

just out of pure desire

to meet a kindred spirit

things happen yeah

yeah i couldn’t put it in better words

sir the crevasse

i i’m really sorry but just just to

clarify here

you’re upset with me because i’m i’m

listening

to the artist formerly known as rev j

rather than you

i can’t say that i’m really upset

it’s part of the distortion of

recognizing that a kindred spirit could

be more inclined

to give mentorship than i and that

distortion

brought me here today brought me to this

call because

i need a formal i i think i need a

diagnosis from dr

london smith i i’ve come here in an

attempt to understand

what what is this distortion that i’m

feeling

okay so this this sounds like something

that’s

not too difficult uh to some extent so

the first thing we do whenever someone

comes to say you know the er

with a complaint of of uh

that’s s i say made the ball

yeah so so whenever they come to the

office or the the

er or whatever um the first thing we

rule out is you know

drugs so

you say that you you ate a bag of your

smiley emoji drugs

which as i recall had a heavy influence

on yourself

and cameron like it was a drug trip

so if you say overdosed

yeah if you took a lot of that substance

then

i would imagine that that that’s

probably the reason for

what you are calling a distortion like

it’s

you’re uh you know you overdosed

potentially you took too much

but but in the context of this

i’m feeling i’m feeling unsure of my

myself knowing that

my former buddy beer hole of raven has

has moved on and i think that i’m

i think that i’m experiencing some type

of

reactive ripple

in and i can’t i can’t say what i i have

i have no understanding of this space uh

jealousy

can i can i can i defend myself just a

little bit here

yes yes i me sir sir raven hole

sir the crevasse sir i did stop

listening to you so i could follow the

footsteps of the artist formerly known

as

as rev jay but that was only because i

ran

out of your smiley emoji drugs

and i didn’t know how to refill because

the the subscription form online

is not working

i yeah

i you know i i had to go on another trip

and things got really confusing

um right i forgot a drug trip

uh i i really don’t like the association

with narcotics the whole language around

that you know i

i really think it was more of an

existential extraterrestrial

intertwining of my being so let’s let’s

please keep it

let’s please keep it you know relatively

soft on me because i feel like i’m going

through something

i just need some support and what i

experienced in the forest with rev j

seemed like some form of

like a battle but i i don’t think it was

a

bad battle like it felt like a big hug

with

around the marilyn monroe tree and i

just want to confirm

like a good like yeah yeah

and and now that we’re here i think the

universe has brought us together

to reconcile this ripple

this this this distortion in my soul

well i i would say maybe we should not

be asking questions to dr

london who as we all know is useless and

doesn’t know what he’s talking about in

terms of

health but maybe you could get some help

from from the artist formerly known as

rev jay here maybe we can all help each

other a little bit i mean

are the nameless nameless specter known

as

formerly known as rev jay do you have

any words of

of your divine wisdom to give to

the crevasse well i do actually

there’s a it comes to mind a song

an ancient song that was sung

to me when i was in the forest

it might have been during our encounter

possibly but

it’s something like it is the

whole of the raven is the eye of the

crow and i believe i

can’t fly wow

[Applause]

that sounds like a combination of the

song i have the title uh with some

lyrics replaced and then just

i believe i can just do a different so

that’s us i say meet the ball but i

guess

i i mean sure sure sorry sorry i

shouldn’t interrupt oh no that that’s

all i remember actually but

i i think i i know you know this they

sound similar i can see

what you’re talking about but i think

this was something different

okay uh and i mean

yeah the kravos does that did that i

mean did that do anything for you

it it did i i do believe

that we experienced an

interlocking of our spirits around that

song

like like two little imps or elves

like trotting around the tree do you do

you remember when we became

like little fawns marching around the

tree

and then like intermingled into like

the shape of a dove and that dove like

morphed into

a raven that went through the hole yes

and we were i was

the left wing and you were the right

wing

and together we soared round and round

the tree

and around marilyn monroe and

then we we went straight and

we went into a hole upper skirt

well you know i don’t remember where the

hole was but

it was in that grove somewhere

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it was cameron’s hole i i believe i

i’m speaking kind of prophetically but i

think it was cameron’s fault

that makes a lot of sense

because it started with me and then it

led to you

and now i’m fully accepting that it had

to be this way

it had to be this way

it had to be this way

we had to do this

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it had to be this way

it had

so i just want to take a moment just

just a brief moment to

yeah let our listeners know that

these approaches are not necessarily

like the

the taking uh

uh artificial synthetic

uh well i don’t want to use a term that

you don’t like but um

uh pharmaceutical uh something like say

fun pills

okay fun pills taking those things

and then you know uh

living your life through that like it’s

not necessarily something that i can

endorse

medically like every day

you know having these visions that

anyway i maybe i shouldn’t interrupt

again

uh i know i’ll hold back i’ll hold back

well you know i think some of these

experiences

can be kind of they can be incorporated

into this scientific

framework if approached from a certain

perspective it’s it’s the difference

between

looking through a microscope at uh

amoeba and just just smashing

the petri dish into your eye and trying

to see

yeah both are perfectly like valid ways

to

to do research yeah but they’re just

different applications of the same

approach

one is applied to your eye one is

applied

to your your third eye

yeah oh exactly wow

so i mean what what what can we do here

to sort of

get everyone on the same page because it

doesn’t sound like

artists formerly known as rev j it

doesn’t sound like you have any

harsh feelings towards the crevasse do

you no

no in fact quite the opposite i feel as

though the crevasse has

changed me and changed me inside you

know

like a fresh pair of clothes that you

wear on the inside

and now wow just from just from meeting

him and then you

singing that song that was to the tune

of eye of the title that’s what

it changed your life i don’t want to

say it didn’t but i don’t i don’t want

to say that it did

okay so you don’t want to say i mean

anything at all

you know sometimes the best words

are

okay so wise yeah wow

that that part i can’t agree with uh

sometimes not speaking is the wisest

thing to say

yes and and and the crevasse i mean what

what are you feeling right now i mean do

you have do you have hard feelings

toward do you have are you any anger or

jealousy toward

the artist formerly known as rev j now

that you remember that you guys shared

this

really special time leroy

jenkins those are the best words to say

well we’ve just discovered that the

artist formerly

known as rev j is leroy jenkins

who the guy in the video was talking

about not the person

who did that in the video

i don’t want to say that you’re wrong

but i don’t want to say that you’re

right

wow and so i mean the crevasse

is that mean anything did that resonate

it it did i i can honestly say i

i came to this forest as a challenger

seeking some understanding of what had

happened

to my buddy beer whole of raven

and you know it’d been so long and i’d

wandered and

stunned so many experiences

to try and understand and reconcile but

honestly now

having faced this truth and having

seen the visions and understood where

mr jenkins is coming from

i i think the only thing that i’m

looking for now is just to understand

where where you’re gonna take him

where are you gonna take him leroy like

where where are you wanting

formerly cameron formerly buddy beer

hole of raven

whatever he is now whatever he perceives

himself as now where do you want him to

go

where i would want cameron to go from

here is inwardly

yes and by inwardly i also mean

outwardly because as within

so is below and as without

go with forth

that i see me the ball

and i ha i have been trying to go

inwardly but that

i the angle is really difficult

that’s what i’ve been really struggling

with are you talking about

urinating

no i’m just trying to go inward see

you’re always going

on the inside inwardly at the same at

you know at all times

but what also helps is to you can

triangulate your signal with

you have three eyes all right so if you

each one of those

each one of those eyes is directly

connected to your brain

but they all take a different pathway to

get there so if you triangulate those

three pathways you can

you can gain a sort of inner map

of your system and travel

becomes you know now you have your

navigational system

and it’s in check and now you’re clear

for takeoff

wow yeah and so two two of those eyes

are gonna be

connected mostly through the you know

the optic nerves

so and and same with the third but it’s

the psi

optic nerve okay

whoa yeah dr london have you even heard

of that word

i don’t know i don’t think so i anyway i

just i guess i was trying to offer my

little

bit of help for this road map you’re

trying to create so we already have two

of the the signals that you’re

describing so if you want to triangulate

you actually only have to worry about

the one because

the uh the the signals are already

very well mapped in human anatomy for

the two eyes

so the third eye i assume is you know

like you only have to find one thing

yeah now missed mr the crevasse you

you had said that you were worried about

where

the artist formerly known as rev j was

leading me and he said you know inwardly

and then we talked a lot about the

triangulation of my third eye

i mean is that does that make you a

little more comfortable

does that give you some sound minds you

see that maybe i’m i’m in good hands the

the difficulty i have leroy

and cameron is that i

i abide by the experience of

the physical manifestation of my

circular emoji

smiley face i can put that in my mouth i

can put that up my butt

i can know that i’m going to have that

experience

the unknown the unknown of leroy

jenkins approach the inner journey it is

it is

not road mappable and that scares me

that scares me because i have relied so

heavily

on an external and physical

manifestation that has allowed me to

take that journey you remember that

journey cameron it was

it it has a very specific type of path

but at the same time very cold well i

don’t want to keep butting in here

but i can’t help but feel like this is

maybe not as

medically educational as this podcast is

meant to be

well you know well i mean we’re all

doctors here and you know i actually

prefer the term

educational oh

yeah you ever thought about that dr

london uh i

i don’t know or is the concept of

combining education and medicine just

so foreign to you well it’s and you hate

things that are foreign so you’re

it makes you i’d like to take it a step

further and just call it

magical because educational

seems to be trying to blend the magic

and the medicine

and i just like i just like it to be

just magic but you know that’s me

that’s that’s not a bash that’s just

educational

magic you know it’s all the same

well guys you you have to stop fighting

you have to stop fighting over the names

of these things

so let’s have it let’s everyone calm

down it can be both educational

and magical

but one thing we know that it it can’t

be is just

educational like dr london was trying to

say well i was describing

medical education so i just didn’t

combine

words yeah or describe it as magical

either

that yeah that’s true well you know it’s

interesting you say that i was listening

to your podcast

earlier and you were saying some some

facts some numbers

like somewhere between

if you know if you’re a non-smoker

there’s a

35 to 45 chance you’re gonna get lung

cancer anyway so

that’s almost a 50 50 chance of yes

you’re getting lung cancer regardless if

you’re a smoker that’s

it sounded like what the advice i was

hearing

yes no yeah and if you look at the 35

um it also i mean one thing that if you

think about the larger application sort

of on a macro scale

um so you think 35 you think there’s 300

million people

um in the u.s and so you’re talking

about

um you close to 100 million people at

the you know the 35 percent that

which also leads to 65 which would be

the other 200 million people

and i think if you look at those larger

uh

sort of organizations and the situations

if 35 percent of that yeah

um i think will really establish i

wouldn’t be surprised if those are

conservative numbers it’s actually

even higher than we we we avoid uh

politics as much as we can on this show

well i mean

conservative as in oh uh

again i there i go and we just

i know i i see by the time we this

this is the reason i have my

reservations

cameron i’m just saying you know even

even just kind of like going there he

went there

and i again like spiritually i met him

in the forest

we danced around the monroe tree we had

our

vision but at the end of the day where

is the inner

skirt where i i cannot confirm or deny

that but do i really know where that

inner journey is taking you

because if it’s politically leaning it’s

already playing into the system

i’m just gonna say right there just into

the system

where we are trying to get away from but

okay

so what i i have a suggestion here that

hopefully will make everyone

happy what if we do sort of a

joint custody type thing so

what if we do every other weekend

so so the first weekend person to

mentor you yes

so on on the first weekend of the for

the first week in the third weekend of

the month

the crevasse i’m going to follow what

you have for me

whatever your spiritual journey is the

the emoji pills

the uh inwards and outward

and and spiritual floating that you

often take me on

uh in the in the parking lot of that

kroger i want to do that

with you in person i want to see you

the first and third weekend of every

month and then on the second and fourth

weekend of every month artists formerly

known as rev jay

if i could sleep on your couch uh that’d

be great and then

um which i know you don’t have any

possessions but

if i could if if you know of a couch

that i could lay on that’d be great but

then those other two weekends i’ll

follow

your guidance okay now if now

if we could throw in easter and boxing

day

that i could be also your mentor then

we got ourselves a deal oh you have to

be able to give up

two holidays i mean the crevasse are

there are there any specific holidays

you want

i prefer halloween

because okay i didn’t think about

thailand

because yeah there’s lots of bags of

goodies

that are given out because the

combination of beer buddy

and raven hole and what we have

like the the the stories we have to tell

together cameron buddy beer polo

remember remember your beginning i feel

like that’s something that maybe

on halloween could be really special

between us

is sitting around the halloween campfire

and

swapping buddy beer swapping swapping

emoji

emoji pills and catching up you know

that’s right and i mean i am again i’m

not possessive

i completely am okay with the spiritual

like astral projection of leroy

rev j whatever you know he can be there

he can be there with us i just

physically

i i don’t know if i could handle the the

distortion and i’m still

again like physically this is why i

asked

london to give me a diagnosis because

physically

i’m still trying to figure out what is

this distortion

and obviously he tried to throw some

jargon at you because that’s what dr

lyndon does so he said oh you overdosed

and obviously or you’re going through

withdrawals

none of that makes even any a like a

sense in this context at all

but i think we’ve grown a lot today guys

i think we’ve

we’ve we’ve squashed some beef yes uh

and we’ve we’ve put aside our

differences we’ve beefed some squash

nope that i’ll have to fact check we

can’t unfortunately we can’t

say anything on this podcast that’s

inaccurate we do a lot of fact checking

so i will look into um if we

if we beefed some squash but we can we

can establish that later we can edit

that dj dylan can we

edit that out nope okay okay just you

know can we maybe just swap

the two words around so it sounds like i

was saying

you know i was agreeing yes squash

some beef or you could say squash of the

beef or beef of the squash

well well we’re also fact checking here

i should clarify that so the

the 35 percent i was talking about

earlier it’s adenocarcinoma

um makes up around you’re so hung up on

this 35

percent dr london lung cancers it’s

unbelievable it doesn’t

you should definitely not be smoking uh

if you are smoking you should try to

quit and also you know

go to your doctor and um if you if you

desire to quit there are medications

that can help you

to quit uh you know help take away the

the craving um yeah

and so that’s 35 of our listeners go to

the doctor

the other 65 you’re totally fine don’t

worry about it

so 35 of our listeners i believe that’s

one person

so uh whoever you feel that

that should be um go to the doctor the

other two listeners you’re fine

okay um well i i feel like that’s a

pretty good place to uh

kind of wrap things up right

yeah i think so we’ve all i can’t

help but feel like i wasn’t a huge part

of the discussion but maybe that you

needed this time cameron you never

are right okay so um thank you to

uh kravos formerly raven hull for

calling in the

curvature i believe thank you for taking

my extended call

yeah of course um and i do find it odd

that you

you’ve found a way to call in at all

because as far as i know cameron’s

system is

uh i don’t quite understand it but um

also thank you to the artist formerly

known as rev j

now i guess nameless spectre

uh thanks yeah um

thank you to our producer cameron thank

you to DJ DYLAN IN DA HOUSE

is the hole of the raven

is the eye of

[Music]

it was cameron’s hole i believe it was

cameron’s

home

because it started with me and then it

led to you

and now i’m fully accepting that it had

to be this way

[Music]

[Music]

i don’t want to say that you’re wrong

but i don’t want to say that you’re

right

my name is dr londonsmith.com and this

has been

the jock dock podcast that’s s

i see me the ball

[Music]

it had to be this way

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let out a sigh

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to appreciate the beauty of the

arboretum

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used

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file that perfect moment away because

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